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Conference Report

The Everlasting Soul, A Vaishnava-Christian Conference
Washington D.C., U.S.A., 17 April 1998

 

One may feel legitimate concern prior to a meeting or conference that the time will simply be filled with, rather than opened by, words. What differentiates an intellectually stimulating lifeless gathering from one in which the spirited synergy that is dialogue? Perhaps it is a gift. Nevertheless, receptivity to such a gift is not accidental; the conditions need to be set with attentiveness and devotion.

The conditions for this one-day dialogue were indeed splendidly set by Anuttama dasa and the ISKCON temple in Potomac, Maryland and by John Borelli, Director of Inter-religious Relations for the National Conference of Catholic Bishops. In addition, Rockwood Manor was surrounded by the bright colours of woods and perennials in mid-April. The morning's weather report had predicted a day of rain; we enjoyed instead a day of sun. As we gathered, self-introductions happened easily and the range of backgrounds became apparent: natives of England, Kenya, India, Korea, Vietnam, as well as the USA; Gaudiya Vaishnavas and a Madhvite, as well as Methodists, Episcopalians and Catholics, ordained and lay; academics, Church and ISKCON administrators, a bank manager, a pastoral counsellor and the owner of two craft galleries.

As would happen frequently during the day, Kenneth Cacknell had some difficulty in pulling us away from energised conversations, to our seats around the table. After soliciting more formal self-introductions, he described 'Our Place in the History of Hindu-Christian Dialogue.' Focusing upon the past one hundred years, he applauded the fact that Christians are now turning their attention from what has been a fruitful but limiting fascination with Advaita Vedanta to engage 'other vital streams' of Hinduism-specifically, fellow 'religions of the heart.' Drawing from M. Thomas Thangaraj's The Crucified Guru, Rev. Cracknell suggested criteria relevant not only to the theological task but also to our own dialogical one. Rooted in commitment, dialogue must exemplify accountability to our own traditions and to those of others. On this basis, dialogue may then branch out in conversation both with one's own tradition and with others', blossoming in a 'holistic vision' of God, world and humanity, and bearing fruit in transformative praxis. As insightful as this was to our perspective task, it was Rev. Cracknell's own heartfelt enthusiasm for the Vaishnava-Christian dialogue that set the tone for the day.

Ravindra Svarupa dasa then guided us through the Vaishnava theory of the soul. He explained that what we usually think of as a person is comprised of a gross body, a subtle body or mind and the eternal soul or atman, whose nature is sat-chit-ananda (being-knowledge-bliss). Given that most of us are unaware of who we truly are, the Vaishnava theory of the soul also elucidates why we suffer and indicates how, in three stages, we can escape this suffering: initially, we identify with the body and thus wilfully desire to enjoy the world independent of God. In order to purify our intentions we must then negate body and world temporarily to glimpse who we are apart from them, the eternal soul or atman. Only then are we ready to embrace body and world as divine creations and use them as the basis of activity that serves God, rather than self. Such loving service is the soul's natural activity and thereby generates no consequences necessitating rebirth. Having shed our misidentification, when the body dies, the soul remains as our eternal position, qualitatively identical to God though not quantitatively so.

Rev. Peter Phan's presentation on the Catholic view of the eternal soul evoked intriguing resonances with Ravindra Svarupa. Rev. Phan also utilised a three-stage schema, though his categories were historical rather than mystical. According to Biblical teachings, human beings are created in the image of God (imago dei) and thus are not autonomous but essentially related to God-stewards over creation, not simply users of it. In this early, Jewish and Christian context, the human person is a unity of body, soul and spirit. This unity, however, is eventually weakened in the Patristic period, especially under the influence of the dualistic Neoplatonic view of the soul as imprisoned within and seeking liberation from the body. Beginning with Thomas Aquinas in the thirteenth century and continuing in the contemporary period, the implications of the imago dei are recovered and advanced: if we are created in the image of God, and if God is constituted by relationships (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), then we, too, are not monads, but are only persons to the degree that we are in relationship. Reluctant to use the term 'soul' because of the dualistic connotations it conveys, contemporary theologians have retrieved the Biblical sense of the unity of the person in terms such as 'spirit in the world' and 'embodied spirit'-a unity more in line with current sensibilities, such as ecological awareness and liberation theologies, both of which are grounded in a rejection of the older dualism.

One may note in passing the intriguing similarity in the trajectories of the two theories of the eternal soul (one mystical, the other historical), moving from an identification with the body and world, through a necessary and dualistic negation of them, to a stage in which body and world are reintegrated and reappropriated in relation to the eternal soul (atman, spirit) and to God-Thangaraj's 'holistic vision' located at the heart of both traditions.

In the hour-long discussion following the two talks, there were lively interchanges both across and within traditions, as Christians and Vaishnavas questioned each other, revealing important distinctions between the views of Protestants and Catholics, and between Vaishnava sampradayas. Specifically, Hindus asked Christians about what is the state of the soul after death and about eternal damnation. Discussion moved logically to the question of predestination and then to grace in relation to free will. It was agreed that grace is fundamental to both traditions.

Conversation paused only briefly as we broke for a delicious 'karma-free' lunch prepared by Tungavidya devi dasi and the Potomac ISKCON temple. Seated at tables outside in the sun, participants talked informally but animatedly on topics ranging from dahl to Docetism.

Discussion after lunch focused on the following topics: the possible relation of past karma to original sin, as explanations for the human's wilful separation from divine will; Christian explanations for different birth situations and the parallels (or lack of them) to karma and reincarnation in Christianity and Judaism. Reflecting a general sense of appreciation for such interchanges, Christian participants employed the scriptural analogy of 'looting Egyptians of their riches,' suggesting thereby that just as Christian theologians borrowed from Greek philosophers in the past to explicate the Gospel so some now are borrowing from Indian sources to explore Christ's teachings further. Christians noted, for example, that we have tended to focus on the servant-master relationship between human and divine and thus benefit from the 'sweetness' of Gaudiya theology. To flesh out the assumed mutuality of such gatherings, one might ask what it is that Vaishnavas 'learn' from Christians -perhaps a question for our next dialogue.

Kenneth Cracknell then turned the group's attention to future meetings in this area. A consensus quickly emerged that we would convene at Rockwood Manor again next April for a weekend. Efforts would be made to extend the invitation to other Vaishnava sampradayas, while keeping the overall size of the gathering small (about twenty to twenty-five). Various topics were suggested: most attention was given to a dialogue based on two devotional texts, perhaps poetry, one from each tradition to be distributed in advance.

Our words indeed opened possibilities rather than limited them, possibilities that collectively the participants felt compelled to honour with more time in the future. Why meet again? However learned we may become, the gift of that love to which both traditions bear witness remains irresistible. Rev. Cracknell echoed this sentiment in concluding the conference: Such events represent 'the dawn chorus of a new creation . . . the first fruits of the messianic age.'

Vaishnava participants: Anuttama dasa, Hari dasa, Trikalajna dasa, Rukmini devi dasi, Tungavidya devi dasi, Mukunda Goswami, Balaji Hebbar, Vishaka Khanna, Ravindra Svarupa dasa.

Christian participants: John Borelli, Kenneth Cracknell, Diedra Kriewald, Paul Lee, Peter Phan, David Rodier, Erik Swartz, Judson Trapnell.

 
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