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'I am telling him, "Look, just chant
Hare Krsna". And he is looking at me and thinking, 'Not practical,
it could never work".'
Do you recognise the dialogue? Yes, it's that perennial communications
problem we all love to hate. H. H. Mukunda Goswami and
Krsna Dharma Dasa have joined forces to help us understand the dynamics
of getting through to 'Joe Public', and how to address his concerns
and needs with practical, Krsna conscious solutions.
H. H. Mukunda Goswami: In spreading Krsna consciousness
we find that throughout the world there are three things that we
need to establish in order to gain public support, attract followers
and sell the idea of Krsna consciousness - in short, to be successful
in propagating Krsna consciousness. We propagate these different
messages at different times according to time, place and circumstance.
The first is authenticity. Who are we? What
are we? Are we part of an old tradition? Are we something
new? Very often, even in interfaith conferences, we are characterised
as a new religion and that is a definition we often have to fight.
What is the size? What is the scope? What is our philosophical
background? Are we truly authentic - do we have a book of
knowledge? So authenticity is very important.
Prabhupada sometimes said that Krsna consciousness was
a cultural movement. So our cultural richness should also
be considered important. I remember when I was getting Srila
Prabhupada immigration into the United States. There was a
special form to fill out if the person felt they could contribute
something culturally, as an artist, a musician, a performer
or architect etc. So cultural richness - paintings,
architecture, music, dance, drama, literature and food - are
things people find very important and see as contributing to the
so-called culture of modern society. Lastly is social responsibility
- being seen to contribute to, or improve, the quality of life.
All these things are all going on simultaneously.
We constantly have to teach people why and how we are authentic,
expose them to our culture - harinam, deity worship, prasadam
- and display our social responsibility.
In this essay we would like to focus on social
responsibility, which is an element which we have perhaps not really
thought about very much as a society. How we are improving
the quality of life? People want to know what we have to offer,
how they are going to benefit. When they see that we are contributing
towards the welfare of the individual, family, community, society,
nation and the world as a whole, that is the beginning of recognising
the social responsibility of our movement.
We have already consulted people who have had many
years of experience helping non profit-making organisations get
their messages across to the public. Myself, Anuttama and
some other devotees recently spent several days working out a Universal
Mission Statement (UMS) for ISKCON Communications. It is not
a UMS for ISKCON in general although it could, or may be,
in the future, but a statement to develop the idea of social responsibility.
When Prabhupada was in Rome in 1974, he asked devotees
to write a book called How Krsna Consciousness Can Solve All
The Problems of Life. Looking through the transcripts
of Srila Prabhupada's conversations, one can find at least twenty
instances where he says that Krsna consciousness solves all the
problems of the world - very clear statements. In fact, he
asked the devotees to bring a new problem to him each day.
One day, Prabhupada talked about how Krsna consciousness can solve
the crime problem. On another, he talked about the oil crisis
in the Gulf. Various social problems, such as drugs, were
also discussed, with Srila Prabhupada offering the spiritual solution
in every case.
Inspired by this, we did try to put together a book.
There is a section in The Science Of Self-Realisation headed
'Spiritual Solutions to Material Problems'. This featured
a classic conversation Prabhupada had with Lieutenant Mozee of the
Chicago Police Department, where he outlined ways in which Krsna
consciousness could solve the crime problem. In another conversation
on the same theme, with Jackie Vaughan, Michigan State Senator,
Vaughan is reported to have said to Prabhupada, 'I am completely
convinced that this is not simply theoretical and that this movement
can solve all problems of life'.
There are different levels on which these problems
are solved. Firstly, there is directly perceived evidence
- pratyaksha . We can see on a personal level how Krsna
consciousness leads to a reduction in stress levels, a healthier
diet and greater inner peace. Secondly, there is hypothetical
evidence, or anumana. For example, if everyone is individually
peaceful then logically the whole world could become peaceful.
Lastly, there are the authoritative statements, or shabda,
which tell us that the whole world will become peaceful by Krsna
consciousness. This is illustrated in scriptures such as the
Srimad Bhagavatam, which says that if you water the root
of the tree all the branches and twigs will be nourished. There
are many other such statements which speak about how Krsna consciousness
can solve all problems.
We are preaching on all three levels, according to time
place and circumstance. Some solutions are directly obvious;
others sound possible; and there are those which are purely scriptural
injunctions. For example, the statement that cow dung is useful
as a fertiliser and cleanser , or that bone is impure but the conchshell,
which is bone, is considered pure. Srila Prabhupada stressed
that Vedic knowledge is always pure and perfect; even though it
may appear contradictory in places, it is still the best, highest
and most perfect knowledge. We will briefly discuss these
different ways of approaching the various problems - putting forward
immediate, obvious solutions; presenting possible solutions for
argument, and those that just have to be taken on faith.
The problems given in the Universal Mission Statement
are immense and perhaps, some day, whole books will be written about
how Krsna Consciousness will solve each one of these. In fact,
the Bhaktivedanta Institute have just completed an eight hundred
page book called Forbidden Archeology , which deals with
the mechanistic worldview. It is already meeting with some
success even though it has only been out a few weeks. The
book aims to make even the most sceptical or athestic person question
the popular belief that the world is a dead place, run automatically
according to some mechanistic laws, rather than under the control
of God. Not only will books be written, but there might even
be colleges or institutions devoted to tackling each one of these
problems, just as the Bhaktivedanta Institute exists just to solve
the problem of the mechanistic worldview using the Krsna Consciousness
philosophy.
So let us now look at the Universal Mission Statement
and how the Krsna conscious philosophy can be applied.
Krsna Dharma: First of all ,I would like to
give in full the present Universal Mission Statement as mentioned
above by Mukunda Maharaja:-
The Hare KrsnaMovement benefits the individual
and society by offering practical solutions to today's material
and spiritual problems. These problems include:
1) Ethnic, racial and cultural conflict
2) Religious intolerance
3) Hunger
4) Disregard for animal and human life (including
the unborn)
5) Health, diet and disease
6) Environment
7) Drug and alcohol abuse
8) Crime
9) Economic imbalance
10) Family breakdown
11) Decline of ethics and morality
12) Stress and anxiety
13) Failure of education
14) A mechanistic worldview
I would like to try and present this Universal Mission
Statement using Srila Prabhupada's instructions as well as my own
experiences.
Of course, everyone is trying to solve the problems
of life and, as we know, human life is meant for making a permanent
solution to these problems. In his books, Prabhupada refers again
and again to four particular problems with which all of us are familiar:
janma, mrityu, jara, vyadi - birth, death, old age
and disease. Every kind of human endeavour is more or less
directed towards trying to bring about a solution to one of these
problems. Immediately we are born we need to find a facility
for survival and for avoiding the miseries of this world - and that
struggle never ends.
Thus everyone is trying to find some kind of improvement
or gain in their life. This is known as artha in Sanskrit
- some gain or result to one's endeavour. The Vedic injunction
is jijnasu sreya uttama - we should look for the ultimate
solution to life's problems. And that is discovered when you
approach a bona fide guru. Tasmad guru prapadyeta jigyasu sreya
uttamam: you enquire from him and he gives you the answer
which is, of course, that you become Krsna conscious, give up material
activities in toto, don't get any more reactions (good or
bad) for your activities and go back to Godhead. This is the
essential message of the Krsna consciousness movement. We
are saying that if you simply chant the maha mantra and serve, worship
and surrender to Krsna - Krsna bhakti kaila sarva karma krta
hoy - everything is taken care of or, as Prabhupada says, 'Everything
is carried'. Now the question may be: why is there any need
then for us to do or say anything else? Let's simply go out
and spread this core message of the Hare Krsna movement 'Just chant
Hare Krsna and be happy'. We are not saying 'don't do that'.
The message here is, yes, we want to transmit the core message of
ISKCON, we want to tell people 'chant Hare Krsna, worship Krsna,
take Krsna prasadam, go back to Godhead'. But
we encounter problems - people don't want to do, or accept, that.
I have personally experienced frustration, as I know
many of you will have done, when trying to preach the message of
Krsna consciousness. I've been speaking to an individual and
clearly they've got problems and I know I've got the answer in the
shape of Krsna consciousness, but I'm not able to convince him.
I'm telling him 'Look, just chant Hare Krsna,' and he is looking
at me and thinking, 'Not practical, it could never work. Maybe
it's working for you but my problems are so complex, there are so
many things in my life to sort out. How could chanting be of any
use to me?' So there is a communications problem here
- I'm not getting through.
What we are talking about here is how to relate Krsna
consciousness to specific needs. Everyone has a need in their
life. Ultimately we know that need is Krsna, so we have to
somehow show that to people.
Now, I do not know if any of you have looked at the
techniques of selling, but there are certain tried and tested methods
by which you can sell anything. So let us take Krsna Consciousness
as our product. First of all, we have to approach the materialist,
or the prospect as they say in sales jargon, and convince him to
buy our product. Salesmen use a well-known method called 'AIDA':
Attention, Interest, Desire, Action. In order to explain,
let us use this idea in relation to the book distributor.
What do you do when you try to sell a book? First thing is
attract attention: 'Excuse me sir, excuse me, please stop a moment.'
So you stop someone. 'Hello, my name is Krsna Dasa and I am
here to show you some beautiful books today.' The next thing is,
'I would like you to look at one of these', and you give him a book.
You try to grab his interest by putting the book in his hand, and
he looks at it. Now, you have to get him to the next stage
- desire. You have to make him desire the product. He
has got it in his hand, he is probably thinking 'Do I really need
this? What is it anyway? Srimad . ? Bhaga
. ?' He probably can't even read the title and he does
not know what it is about. You have got to convince him to
buy it and you do not have much time to do this, he is about to
give it back. Now using all your expertise you try to bring
him to the point of desire. You try to understand the particular
need of that man. If you are an expert salesman you will draw
it out from him by asking the right questions, and then you relate
the product to this need. He starts thinking, 'Hey! I'm looking
for something like this. This is what I want.' That
is the point of desire, when he starts feeling like that: he buys,
you should not sell. Expert salesmanship means that people
buy without feeling 'sold'.
Each selling process goes through these four basic constituents.
This can be done 'one-to-one' on the street or at the door, or on
a larger scale. Indeed, it is necessary to have this kind
of support for men in the field. It is extremely difficult
on a first encounter to take a prospect from having no knowledge
of the product to realising it will satisfy his particular needs.
Successful companies will always carry out some preliminary marketing
by increasing product awareness and stimulating interest.
The salesman just goes in and closes the deal.
There are different kinds of needs and problems which
are prevalent in society according to time, place and circumstance,
and to which we can relate Krsna consciousness. Believe it
on not, a major problem in many Western countries today is poverty.
There are so many beggars on the street, so many people who are
hungry in the so-called affluent West, it is gradually becoming
like the third world. There is a growing feature of degradation,
deprivation and poverty in Manchester, which is where I preach.
The idea is that we present Krsna consciousness in such a way that
it is recognised as directly addressing this particular need.
If I go to these needy individuals and say 'I see you are lying
there on the street and you are hungry, but just chant Hare Krsna
and everything will be okay,' they are probably going to say 'I'm
hungry, what about some food?' But if I go to them with Krsna
prasadam, as with the Food For Life programme, they can relate
to that. 'Yes, this is something I need.' And, of course,
we can gradually introduce more Krsna consciousness.
By this method we are trying to create environments
which are favourable to the transmission of the core Krsna conscious
message, which is the product which they are not ready to take,
which they do not understand that they need. We have to create
that understanding in them. Perhaps we can think of possible
programmes which could demonstrate how Krsna Consciousness specifically
applies itself to solving certain problems, such as Food For Life.
That is the pratyaksa element - the practical evidence of
Krsna consciousness working. We can also think of different
arguments why ultimately one has to be God conscious in order to
solve a particular problem (anumana). I have done some
research into the Srimad Bhagavatam and have extracted statements
from Srila Prabhupada on most of the problems found on the UMS list.
Of course, he is always saying 'chant Hare Krsna and be happy',
but he also gives more specific and detailed solutions. For
example, in the Srimad Bhagavatam Prabhupada referred
to 'government' 256 times, so we can understand he is interested
in governing society. The Krsna Consciousness movement is
not just saying 'Let's forget the whole thing. The world is
a mess and a place of misery, let us just go back to Godhead. Just
leave it, there is no hope.' Perhaps we may find the occasional
statement that supports that idea. But the fact is, the material
world exists for the rectification of the conditioned souls so they
will go back to Godhead, and in order for this to be achieved there
has to be a proper functioning society. Of course, all these
problems would be solved in a proper varnasrama society,
but maybe that is something for the future. Certainly Srila Prabhupada
did not want us the forget this world: again, in the Srimad Bhagavatam,
there are 150 specific references to leadership. 'Leadership should
be this, leaders should do that, a leader should always act like
this.' Prabhupada is again and again making these points so
clearly he wanted us to get involved with the managing of society.
We have to show that we are able to do that, especially in our actions
and, of course, in our preaching. Usually we are expert at
presenting the argument but when it comes to its practical application
- well, we may still have some way to go.
In this way, our preaching approach is related to the
concerns of the particular audience, to whatever wavelength they
are on, which will depend upon the time and place. For example,
the poverty in Manchester. In Sweden they do not have such
a problem with poverty due to their excellent welfare system, but
they have much stress and anxiety, and the suicide rate is very
high. We could therefore show how Krsna Consciousness directly
addresses this problem, perhaps by offering 'mantra therapy' or
'anxiety free food', etc.
We thus take the solution from the personal level on
which we are trying to attract people, back to Krsna again.
In the Srimad Bhagavatam there is a generic quote that can
perhaps be applied to this whole exercise, in the last of the four
seed verses: 'A person who is searching after the Supreme Absolute
Truth, the Personality of Godhead, must certainly search for it
up to this in all circumstances, in all space, in all time and both
directly and indirectly.' Although we may initially view the
solution to a problem from a material perspective, it must be ultimately
be directed towards Krsna. That is the real expertise which
we will have to develop and display. In the purport to that
verse Srila Prabhupada writes: ' . one who is developed in
consciousness certainly makes enquiries into the mystery of the
self, the cosmic situation, and of the problems of life, in all
spheres and fields, social, political, economic, cultural, religious,
moral, etc, and, in their different branches. But here the
goal of all such enquiries is explained ... .' In other words,
we should make enquiries into these specific areas, but must always
keep the goal in mind. We may formulate programmes addressing specific
needs, but even those programmes can incorporate the core aspect
of our preaching such as Food For Life. Or, as I suggested
above, we might devise a programme for suicidal cases incorporating
sessions of chanting. In this way, we are still undertaking
our main preaching activities. Whatever we do will, of course,
incorporate one or more of the three main limbs of our preaching,
but in such an expert way that it is accepted by people. They
feel that 'yes this is what we are looking for, this is what we
need.' From this initial step, we gradually take them
higher and higher, right up to the point of ultimate enquiry.
There is a further reference in the Srimad Bhagavatam which
supports this: 'Avicyuta-arth' (the infallible purpose).
In the purport to that verse, Srila Prabhupada refers to social,
political, religious and psychological knowledge, but emphasises
that the infallible purpose of the study of all these culminates
in the glorification of the Supreme Lord: 'tad uttamashloka gunarnavarnam'.
Therefore spiritual solutions to material problems
does not conflict with the core mission of ISKCON, but rather facilitates
it by creating an environment where people can recognise that Krsna
consciousness is the ultimate solution to their problems.
Mukunda Goswami: 'Spiritual solutions'
goes beyond acceptance of ISKCON by society, which is sometimes
all we are trying to obtain. But we do not want to just be
tolerated. In the UK there is this idea that 'well we
can tolerate these Muslims, blacks or whatever they may be, even
though we don't like them'. However, Srila Prabhupada expected
ISKCON to be a movement for change in society. By preaching
in this way, we begin to see that society is able to do more than
just tolerate us. It is one thing to be accepted, but if we
are doing something that benefits society then the next step is
appreciation. In fact Srila Prabhupada said that society would
hate, then laugh at and finally adore us - so these developments
are moving us towards the level of appreciation and adoration.
Developing our society means a high level of participation
and energy, with people putting in their time and money. The
purpose of going beyond acceptance, and being seen as an organisation
that is benefitting society, is to create an environment in which
people feel they want to participate and are proud to be doing something
for ISKCON. This is the way in which such an environment is
created, maintained and increased, providing a foundation in which
more and more people can become involved. There are many people
who would get involved but who think 'I do not understand this and
nothing really good for society is happening here, they are just
into their own thing'. However, if we demonstrate that something
important is happening which is of benefit to people then involvement
will increase and increase.
I want to encourage each of you when giving classes,
preaching one-on-one or in a small group in peoples' homes, to raise
some of these points. You will find that a lot of things you
have read about in Prabhupada's books or heard in lectures will
come out and that there is a great wealth of knowledge in preaching
this way.
Based on a talk given by H. H. Mukunda Goswami and
Krsna Dharma Dasa in Radhadesh, July 1993.
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